FAMILY OF THE HEART [FOTH] EVENTS 2011

FREETHINKERS’ LECTURE SERIES & LITERARY EVENING

Date July 24th, 2011, Day Sunday & Time 4 pm at

 
Dear Tofiq sahib
 
It was a  great pleasure for me to read your letter reproduced below. I was delighted to note that at least one soul  read the essay so critically. I am attempting to explain some of the points you have highlighted. I hope to meet you in person and exchange ideas across the table. Do let me know if this would be possible.
My comments are in italics and in a different shade of ink for your easy reference. 
 
 
Dear Ziauddin Ahmed,
I fully regret to have missed the opportunity to meet you in person and listen to your presentation live on July 24th. Nevertheless, I fully enjoyed reading your thought provoking paper titled “Evolution – The inevitable phenomenon”, on the FOTH website. However, I have come to a different conclusion regarding one of your statements about thinking being linear. I will try to present my thoughts on this topic best as I can.
You write, “This is an example of exponential growth.  This is the way knowledge grows in its content. However, thinking is usually a linear advancement.”
I believe thinking to be linear in the following sense:
Reflect on the triad of thought, word and deed. A thoughts may come as a flash or take an instantaneous birth in the mind, perhaps even quicker than the speed of light, as the speed of the thought is immense. A thought may jump from one subject to another instantaneously. However for a thought to become a sensible expressive idea it has to go through a process of layout and planning into expressible words and sentences to be communicated to another person or individual. Now, this process then has to be laboriously acted upon to establish it as a tangible deed. To express this in another way we may say that thoughts grow at an exponentially exponential rate, whereas ideas may grow exponentially. But deeds, on a comparative scale, would then grow linearly. Now, what I mean by the linear growth or advancement of thinking is just that each individual has to perform the whole process of linking thoughts one by one and in an ordered sequence to make thinking viable.        
Further in your article you write, “This holon of the animal by some process of ‘natural selection and nurture’ has then been upgraded to the holon of the thinking and conscious mind.”
The consciously conscious mind is the trait of humans alone, and is a holon higher than just the holon of the animal. Though man may have evolved from the holon of the animal, but this development of the consciously conscious trait is his distinguishing factor from the animal.
This statement shows that thinking has evolved in humans. Although some may argue that animals also have thinking process but that thinking is subjective and does not contribute to change in environment. Where as human thought is both subjective and objective and directly influences the environment.
Very true, human thought is both subjective and objective and by this he can influence the environment. To extend the thought further, humans may then either be constructively influential or destructively influential, depending upon whether they act in conjunction with the Natural design or in detriment to it. If they act in harmony with Nature they will promote the progress of both themselves and the environment, but if their acts are in conflict with the Natural design then, according to the theory of Gaia, the self- preservative forces of nature will promote their own destruction.
Lastly I quote, “Knowledge, which in the last millennium used to compound in centuries, is at the present time reduced to a few years span instead. This type of growth would be exponential in comparison to the rate of the evolution of phenomena before the stage to the time of humans.”
I believe that knowledge is a consequence of experience that translates itself into memory which in return produces thought. In the end knowledge and thought become cause and effect and it is hard to distinguish which is cause and which is effect.
Once again, I fully agree with what you say about the idea of ‘cause and effect’, only that in my own way of thinking ‘thought’ is the ‘first’ cause and the rest is the outcome or the effect of that ‘first’ cause.
If the growth is exponential since the time of humans and thinking is exclusive to humans, it is not hard to conclude that thinking is not linear but exponential.
I am looking forward to your feedback in my understanding of this subject.
Regards,
                                                                                    July 28th 2011
Tofiq Mohiuddin
One can always this discuss this topic at length over a cup of tea. So please let me know if you would be willing to meet and spare some time for it.
With kind regards

Zia                                                         August 1st 2011

Dear Ziauddin Ahmed,
I fully regret to have missed the opportunity to meet you in person and listen to your presentation live on July 24th. Nevertheless, I fully enjoyed reading your thought provoking paper titled “Evolution – The inevitable phenomenon”, on the FOTH website. However, I have come to a different conclusion regarding one of your statements about thinking being linear. I will try to present my thoughts on this topic best as I can.
You write, “This is an example of exponential growth.  This is the way knowledge grows in its content. However, thinking is usually a linear advancement.”
Further in your article you write, “This holon of the animal by some process of ‘natural selection and nurture’ has then been upgraded to the holon of the thinking and conscious mind.”
This statement shows that thinking has evolved in humans. Although some may argue that animals also have thinking process but that thinking is subjective and does not contribute to change in environment. Where as human thought is both subjective and objective and directly influences the environment.
Lastly I quote, “Knowledge, which in the last millennium used to compound in centuries, is at the present time reduced to a few years span instead. This type of growth would be exponential in comparison to the rate of the evolution of phenomena before the stage to the time of humans.”
I believe that knowledge is a consequence of experience that translates itself into memory which in return produces thought. In the end knowledge and thought become cause and effect and it is hard to distinguish which is cause and which is effect.
If the growth is exponential since the time of humans and thinking is exclusive to humans, it is not hard to conclude that thinking is not linear but exponential.
I am looking forward to your feedback in my understanding of this subject.
Regards,

Tofiq Mohiuddin

Hi Rubina
I just saw your tabsara on shab's story, I must congratulate you on this article ..well  said Rubina. I could see the flow  and strength  in your zaban and bayan. Of course  it is very promising for your future as a writer, your hard work is paying off I believe.
with love
nasim
Shabby Saahib ki wazaahat aur khaas taur par is wazaahat ka andaaz Un ki a'ala zarfi ka saboot hai warna kitnay likhnay waalay aisay haiN JinhoN nay apni  kisi tehreer par muazarat ki ho woh bhi is tareh sub Kay saamnay likh kar?
 
Shabab Saahib! aap bohut a'ala zarf insaan haiN
 
Faisal Farani
Dear Shabab
 
You are a good writer. Criticism is just a personal opinion, and personal view point should be taken with a big pinch of salt not so seriously. Keep up the good work. It is refreshing to know that few persons are writing easy to understand and effective prose instead of that tajreedi stuff which is for a very very limited readers. My vote is for you
 
 
Syed H. Haider

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